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 Post subject: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:42 am 
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Witam,
kiedyś obiecałem, iż przetłumaczę na j. polski ten angielsko-czeski spis funkcji SAIL'a zrobiony z opisów do funkcji Altaru. Znalazłem nieco czasu, a więc zrobiłem i taki (lecz nieco dokładniejszy).


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Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
Currently: 118 sides

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Changelog 1.5:
- added: examples of functions
- updated: functions descriptions
- added: sections


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Polski spis funkcji SAIL'a - opisy i przykłady
Aktualnie: 118 stron

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Changelog 1.5:
- dodano: przykłady funkcji
- uaktualniono: opisy funkcji
- dodano: sekcje


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http://original-war.net/upload/Polski_Spis_Funkcji_SAILA_by_zoNE_1.5[www.original-war.net].pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:50 pm 
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As usual you steal peoples work and call it your own. When you take anything (Including SAIL Code from the game), you should have at the end of your document a list of all the source material you used which you didn't create. This is what people in the real world have to do so they don't get sued by all the people they have taken quotes from.

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every 0$10 do
begin
Randomize;
enable;
end;


I seriously doubt that is in RU5. In any case its VERY bad code as you shouldn't be randomizing more than Once. Certainly not as often as your telling people they should. You should only give people examples which are good examples of how to use the function, not bad ones. You should write custom code which shows how to use the functions which only uses the minimum amount of other functions so that the user can easily see what is needed to use the function without confusing them into thinking that they need some other complex code as well.

For example randomize does not need to be in an every, and it shouldn't be in one. Yet your example makes it look like people should place it inside an every. It promotes bad code.

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:32 pm 
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opracowanie, tłumaczenie, oraz rozwinięcie autorstwa: zoNE
Wersja Kursu: 1.5


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tłumaczenie = translation


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W poradniku znajdują się przykłady kodów użytych w misjach zawartych z grą. Po więcej szczegółów zachęcam do zagłębienia się w całości kodu misji.


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W poradniku znajdują się przykłady kodów użytych w misjach zawartych z grą. = The guide includes examples of codes used in the game missions.


It's at 1 and 2 pages.

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Witam,
kiedyś obiecałem, iż przetłumaczę na j. polski ten angielsko-czeski spis funkcji SAIL'a zrobiony z opisów do funkcji Altaru. Znalazłem nieco czasu, a więc zrobiłem i taki (lecz nieco dokładniejszy).


I know that you don't know the Polish language, but this guide is for Polish ppl. And anyone knows where I get the informations. But ok... I'll add a bibliography at the last page.

I never steal peoples work... And your interpretation is always wrong.

It's a translation.. and development...

And I'm going to develop it. And add my own examples.

See it:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en

and

http://blogs.technet.com/plwit/archive/ ... olsku.aspx

In your opinion she steal the MS work? In file name she's wrote her name.

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Bibliografia

Opisy większości funkcji zostały przetłumaczone z dokumentu Altaru
http://www.owsupport.com/files/SAILFunctions.rtf

Przykłady kodów zostały przytoczone z plików umieszczonych w grze
Original War Game


Now u'r happy?

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:06 pm 
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See it:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en
and
http://blogs.technet.com/plwit/archive/ ... olsku.aspx
In your opinion she steal the MS work? In file name she's wrote her name.

There is nothing wrong with putting your name in the filename if you composed the document.

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I never steal peoples work... And your interpretation is always wrong.


You have in the past. Like images from the Arabian Nights mod, which you stated on the images that you created all by yourself(With the "By Zone").

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Now u'r happy?

Technically its wrong as altar never created any document with the SAIL functions. There programmers did however write the comments that are found in the file. Not that it matters.

Id be happy if you wrote your own examples which were relevant to the functions, rather than code extracts which don't highlight how to use the function in question.

Ultimately i don't see the point to the document when the OW Editor has the "Identify" feature, which has the same kind of information. Before you state that Polish people can't read english, most who are online can read enough english. Especially since the editor and most OW tools are in English.

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:30 am 
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You have in the past. Like images from the Arabian Nights mod, which you stated on the images that you created all by yourself(With the "By Zone").

On my old site and on OWN I was written, where I get the materials. And that "to zoNE" mean: wallpaper made by zoNE; not: any elements by zoNE... Currently, these wallpapers are not included even on my sites..

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Technically its wrong as altar never created any document with the SAIL functions. There programmers did however write the comments that are found in the file. Not that it matters.

Ok i change this "Altar" to "programmers".

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Id be happy if you wrote your own examples which were relevant to the functions, rather than code extracts which don't highlight how to use the function in question.

These examples are only temporary.

stucuk wrote:
Ultimately i don't see the point to the document when the OW Editor has the "Identify" feature, which has the same kind of information. Before you state that Polish people can't read english, most who are online can read enough english. Especially since the editor and most OW tools are in English.

Some people have asked me about the translation.

I hope that we wont argue about that things no more... And I never steal peoples work...

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Opisy większości funkcji zostały przetłumaczone z dokumentu powstałego w oparciu o zapiski programistów
http://www.owsupport.com/files/SAILFunctions.rtf

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:20 pm 
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zoNE wrote:
On my old site and on OWN I was written, where I get the materials.


Only after i noticed that you used images from the mod without asking or giving any credits. "by zone" means you made it all. If it had "composed by Zone" then it would mean that you took seperate things and created something new with them.

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These examples are only temporary.


If they are temporary then why are you releasing the document on the internet. You should only release once its finished.

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Some people have asked me about the translation.


Making a translated replacement for the Identify section of the editor would be more useful.

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:11 pm 
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stucuk wrote:
Making a translated replacement for the Identify section of the editor would be more useful.


Give me the current version of Identify section, where I can find descriptions.. and I can make the translation.

2nd Oct 2009 - 1.11 Beta have a current version of Identify section?

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
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You shouldn't need anything from me. Latest 1.11 would have the latest stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
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And how to change the encoding to UTF-8 or smth with Polish characters?
Identify section does not support UTF-8 and Polish characters..
U have some editor or smth for IdentDescripts.dat file?
Ohhh and last question important is the number of characters in a text string?

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:31 pm 
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Shouldn't need UTF-8. Polish computers use polish ASCII. You only need Unicode if you want people without a polish version of windows to see polish characters.

You can create "Notes" in the editor...... And amazingly they use the same format as the main Descriptions..... Don't think i should need to spell it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Polish list of SAIL functions - descriptions and examples
PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:08 am 
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ok in my spare time I will translate it

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